Eric's House Of Ego
The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame - 2010|
ABBA, Genesis, Jimmy Cliff, the Hollies and the Stooges ... Discuss. My comments in the comments
ABBA - Great pop music ... period. They do belong.
Genesis - When they're prog, they are one of my favorite bands. The 80s stuff ... ick. But they do belong in there.
Jimmy Cliff - Absolutely.
The Hollies - They had some lovely songs. Other than that, they are completely without significance. They do not belong.
The Stooges - Yeah ... Ron Asheton thanks you for doing this a year too late.
The Stooges and Jimmy Cliff. Unarguable.
Genesis are a maybe, but I'd put Crimson in well before Genesis.
I can see the argument for ABBA, but Rock 'n' Roll? Perfect Pop, yes: but the Rock 'n' Roll hall of fame? It's an elastic term, so what do I know. If the Beatles are Rock 'n' Roll then I suppose ABBA are too.
Ah, the Hollies....
|Date:||December 16th, 2009 07:42 pm (UTC)|| |
ABBA - Buh, wha? Rock? Really?
Genesis - no brainer
Jimmy Cliff - I can see it. Think there are others more deserving similar to:
the Hollies and the Stooges - About damn time!
|Date:||December 16th, 2009 08:35 pm (UTC)|| |
We're finally getting to the point where I haven't kept up with even the classic rock. I feel that ABBA are brilliant musically, weak lyrically; the Hollies were brilliant, but maybe a bit too much like the Beatles. (Then again, I feel inclined to give them some whopper of an award just for "Stop! Stop! Stop!," one of the all-time great rock lyrics -- and they wrote it themselves.) Jimmy Cliff, I believe, was very influential to many rock musicians, but I'm not sure he is a rock musician himself -- but then again, the same could have been said about Johnny Cash. There is a lot here to think about.
I wrote the following in response to someone else's post on the matter.
Genesis was one of the more accessible prog-rock bands, though it's worth noting that the band has two very distinct careers (roughly "The Peter Gabriel years" and "The Phil Collins years". While the latter certainly made more money (and was more popular), its the former that most of their "cred" generated). Also, while this has nothing to do with their induction into the Hall, they are the only one of the five inductees I've seen in concert, so I have a bias in their favour. :)
ABBA was, and perhaps remains, the pinnacle of pure pop. They were so huge they became a punchline, but if you go back and dissect their songs, there was an amazing level of songcraft and musicianship in their recordings, and their songs burst with joy. To this day, they're a pleasure to listen to.
And then there's Iggy. He isn't known as the "godfather of punk" for nothing. No one threw himself into performance (literally) quite like Mr. Osterberg. His recordings are pure energy in it s rawest form. Whether you enjoy that sort of thing is beside the point, you have to give him credit for his passion and intensity.
Jimmy Cliff is one of the more influential musicians no one has ever heard of, and definitely deserves the recognition.
The Hollies...eh, I dunno. I like them well enough, but I don't think if you made a list of all the potential inductees who are not yet honoured, they'd leap to the top of my mental list, yknow? As usual with this sort of honour, the question isn't "do they deserve it" as much as "do they really deserve it more than this other band that isn't in yet?"
Of course, half the fun of having an R&R HOF is to argue about the fine points of questions just like this. :)
Edited at 2009-12-17 12:01 am (UTC)
This is not Iggy who is being inducted, it's the Stooges. I am uncertain as to whether Iggy as a solo artist belongs. The Stooges ... oh yeah ...
I would put Genesis down to three eras, the Peter Gabriel Prog Era, The Phil Collins Prog Era and the Phil "shut up and play your drums" era.
Fair point, but when I think the Stooges, Iggy is what springs off the stage into the mosh pit of my mind. His work with the band definately surpasses his solo work, though, I agree.
I actually put late-period Genesis into my guilty pleasure catagory. I like the music, but I wouldn't induct it into the Hof. The early stuff, though. Yowza. Great great work.
|Date:||December 17th, 2009 12:08 am (UTC)|| |
But also Mann/Weil and Barry/Greenwich, too.
Which I was going to get into later ... but would have probably forgotten.
Can't argue with any of them, actually.
|Date:||December 18th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)|| |
2010 Hall of Fame
I think most of them definitely deserve to be there except for the Stooges without Iggy? To me he is the Stooges. I agree with Nate that ABBA were not great lyricists but wrote some fantastic tunes with great arrangements. The Hollies are classic as far as I am concerned but then I grew up with their music and they are one of the bands that influenced me with amazing harmony vocals and great tunes and lyrics. Jimmy Cliff definitely. I liked the old Genesis stuff and they deserve to be there as well.
|Date:||December 18th, 2009 04:40 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: 2010 Hall of Fame
The Stooges were a band that included Iggy ... it wasn't till the third album that it became Iggy AND The Stooges.